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Comment by Meridith Bolster on September 18, 2017 at 5:55pm
I have a copy of a letter written to one of his sons by the church in Old Town that says that Loren brought all the children in the same day to be Baptized, and that the year Sockalexis was born, the family was living in New Hampshire at the time. Sockalexis did live in Old Town off and on of course. The family travelled so much selling baskets, entertaining etc they are hard to track !
Comment by Meridith Bolster on September 18, 2017 at 6:05pm
I think with the 2 census records, perhaps the census taker toon the info directly from the Penobscot census assuming they were living on the island at the time- and probably why the wife's name is wrong. She was also listed as Indian on that one - she was white - so again probably an assumption made on the census takers part? Or, If I remember right the census was taken on a slightly later date in Cambridge - I wonder if Loren and fam went back and forth between Old Town and Cambridge? They sure did travel a lot. When I went through the Life of John W Johnson (time period is before Sock was born but Loren was mentioned ), I tracked locations and dates and the Newells didn't settle down long- between Maine, Massachusettes, New Hampshire, etc
Comment by Chris Dunham on September 18, 2017 at 6:17pm

The Newells moved around so much, I'm not sure even Socklexes knew where he was born. Loren and Susan had five children baptized 23 Feb. 1879 at St. Joseph's in Old Town, but they had been born all over northern New England. The only contemporaneous birth record I've found was that of Lizzie Alma, born 1870 in Concord, Vermont.

Harry Swift reported that his grandmother, Joann P. (Jordan) (Swift) Libby, attended the birth of one of the Newell children at Loren's tent on the Knoll in Locke Mills. That would have to have been Loren, Socklexes or Charles.

Comment by TRENTJAG on September 19, 2017 at 2:37am

yes indeed  they appear twice in the 1880 census a few days apart in two places  certainly, a cause for pause. It appears he had three wives or one kept changing her name.  His [Lorens] death in  Buckfield and burial in Denmark is well documented in town reports at the public expense.  

Comment by TRENTJAG on September 19, 2017 at 2:41am

The wife was white and well documented in the remick genealogies. And his  Sox's wife Lida Powers was a well documented white woman in Woodstock  Libby Notes.  

There is also numerous mentions of them in the Boynton Autobiography, but not very complimentary, as it discusses family dynamics and medical records.

Comment by Meridith Bolster on September 19, 2017 at 10:03am

what is the Boynton autobiography? i haven't come across that-when i googled it i couldn't find any thing connected (a couple of Boynton's came up but nothing related to maine)

Loren's wife that he had the children with was Susan Remmick. after she passed away, he remarried but passed away a couple of years later, and the 2nd wife remarried. I found out about her when i found her listed as getting a widow's pension and it matched the info I had on his civil war info. I found a Loren Newell about his age listed in a marriage record for Massachusettes prior to Susan, to an Anna Welch, said he was from Old town and a basket maker, parents as Thomas and Mary, but could not find any other trace of her even when i looked up her parents names.

yes i have done the geneologies out for both Lydia Powers and Susan Remmick. its interesting that Lydia is a descendent of the Ricker family who owned Poland springs! her grandmother was a Ricker. she shares an ancestor with the person that started Poland springs i believe. her great grandmother was Eliza Ricker, whose parents were David Ricker and Lydia Chase.

yes Loren and Susan are buried in Denmark in Wales cemetary, a family cemetary. Lorens sister Betsey (who goes by Bessie after she marries) married Frank Lester Wales. also a side note, they raised Carroll F Wales a nephew of Frank Wales, who ended up being a famous art restorer. https://www.aaa.si.edu/collections/carroll-f-wales-papers-11006

am curious-medical records?

Comment by Meridith Bolster on September 19, 2017 at 10:10am

ive heard a couple of things (that i wont post online for a lot of reasons) on family dynamics but not a whole lot. my grandmother (sockalexis's daughter) moved to Oakland and she and her husband raised their family there-for a short time she lived with a couple of my aunts (my father wasn't born yet) in locke mills with Sockalexis and family-only found that out looking at census records. I did hear a couple of things but not sure if it is what is in the book or not. feel free to send me a private message

Comment by Meridith Bolster on September 19, 2017 at 10:31am

trentjag thanks for the info by the way-i didn't know they were in another book-ive found lots of snippets, and the life of john w johnson, but didn't know about the Boynton autobiography. (what year was it written?)

Comment by TRENTJAG on September 19, 2017 at 12:49pm

fairly recently he was 100 years old and they are his memories, he was the local MD for many years.  

Comment by William F. Chapman on September 22, 2017 at 1:27pm

Hi, Meridith:

The Museums of the Bethel Historical Society has a copy of the biography that I think TRENTJAG is referring to (https://bethelhistorical.org/catalog/item/2010.006.0001). It is probably going to be difficult to find anywhere else, so if you would like to make an appointment to visit some time and look at it you can e-mail me at my work address, library@bethelhistorical.org.

Will

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